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Dexter345 677 posts 02-02-03 21:46 Reply	I lost my Internet shortly before you asked me a question on the old forum, so here it is. You asked if I have deep-rooted issues. Now, I may have taken it wrong, but it sure seems like them's fightin' words to me. I can't imagine why such a righteous person would want to pick a fight for very little legitimate reason. But to answer your question, no, I don't have deep-rooted problems. I do, however, tend to "discuss" religion a lot with people who are of the mindset that their beliefs are what is true and all other beliefs are not. I usually take the "I don't know" approach. I don't believe that there is a God, but I don't not believe. I figure that if you look at it statistically, the majority of the people on this earth are wrong. Heck, maybe all of us are wrong. So I'm just gonna sit here and know that I'm wrong rather than believe that I'm right. That's all I have to say. -Dexter345-
burr 87 posts 02-02-03 23:11 Reply	No one is righteous before God, even Hart and you Dexter. We have all sinned and the only answer is Jesus Christ. Look at all the problems in the world; murder, rape, abortion, poverty, etc. The list is endless and they are still happening today. The only solution to the world's problems is Jesus Christ. He is the key to our world becoming a better place. Now if only everyone knew that...
Darcy 88 posts 02-02-03 23:58 Reply	I don't think he wants you to preach to him...
burr 87 posts 02-03-03 00:25 Reply	First, preaching is done in the pulpit. I am not in the pulpit. Second, the only thing I am trying to do is get people to strive for a better world. In my opinion, our world could be so much better than it currently is. Whether or not you are "religious" is not the point. The point is that our world needs change and the only thing that will bring change is a renewed interest and fervor for Jesus Christ. He is the ONLY answer for the world. It is a shame that so many people never realize that.
Darcy 88 posts 02-03-03 01:26 Reply	A slight disagreement.. <blockquote><b>preach</b> v. tr. To proclaim or put forth in a sermon: preached the gospel.</blockquote> The gospel can be preached anywhere. Jesus preached and proclaimed the gospel everywhere he went - from the mountains to the wilderness. A pulpit is not mandatory...all one needs is the flow of the spirit. Besides, I don't think they had pulpits back then.
Darcy 88 posts 02-03-03 01:38 Reply	Hmm...the html tags didn't work.. :\
burr 87 posts 02-03-03 02:29 Reply	Whose dictionary are you using? God's (the Bible) or something else?
Darcy 88 posts 02-03-03 02:33 Reply	No, I went to Dictionary.com. But Jesus did preach without the use of a pulpit.
Darcy 88 posts 02-03-03 02:36 Reply	"Whose dictionary are you using? God's (the Bible) or something else?" So...you're saying that according to the Bible, the presence of a pulpit is absolutely necessary in order for one to preach God's words?
burr 87 posts 02-03-03 02:46 Reply	I am talking about the ministry area of pastoring. Being a pastor is just one of the many positions in the body of Christ.
burr 87 posts 02-03-03 02:48 Reply	By the way, not everyone is called to be a pastor. There are many different ministry areas besides pastoring.
Darcy 88 posts 02-03-03 03:10 Reply	Oh...well, I belong to a nondenominational group that has no clergy or laity...and believes that every believer is a member of the Body, all of whom have the right to function according to their measure. We have no designated pastor or janitor...everyone may minister Christ to other members, and likewise everyone may take part in the cleaning service as well. Just a slight difference in practice, then. Let's just leave it at that :)
Dexter345 677 posts 02-04-03 06:07 Reply	I think Darcy was right. I wasn't really wanting somebody to preach to me. At any rate, I don't remember saying that I was righteous either. And uh... I think you perfectly exemplified what I meant when I said something about people who believe that they are absolutely right. So uh, good job. -Dexter345-
burr 87 posts 02-04-03 20:58 Reply	I never said "I am absolutely right". The point I am arguing for is that our world needs change. Our world is in bad shape with all of its many problems. And who is at fault for the problems? We are! The sad thing is that the world's problems just keep on piling up. The only way that the problems in the world will leave is if people start stepping up and taking a stand for what is right and not just going with the flow. So "What is right?" you might ask. Read the Bible. It is very clear and lucid about what we should do on an individual basis as well as a corporate basis. On a side note, I have two questions for you guys about evolution. Evolution is the change of a species over time beginning with the Big Bang. This theory leaves two unanswered questions: (1)Where did the original matter from the Big Bang come from? and (2)What was the matter that was involved in the Big Bang? If you have a scientific answer to either of these questions I would like to hear it.
sirhannick 39 posts 02-04-03 21:53 Reply	burr....you are a stupid fag. Get a life.
Mark 276 posts 02-04-03 22:26 Reply	A point that may or may not be worthy of notice. God may very well coexist with evolution. Could not God have begun evolution, knowing that we would be a result? I choose a very loose, symbolic interpretation of the bible. How about you?
Darcy 88 posts 02-04-03 22:54 Reply	I disagree. As I understand it, evolutionism is the belief that human beings evolved over time from a simpler, more primitive being (ie. primates). On the other hand, the Bible says that from the very beginning man (ie. Adam) was made in the likeness and image of God. So the Bible (for those who believe in it) does not support the evolution as far as the origin of humans is concerned.
Jeremiah Walgren 1187 posts 02-05-03 02:02 Reply	Where does it say how long Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden? They could've been in there for 300 billion years for all we know.
Darcy 88 posts 02-05-03 02:15 Reply	Well, Adam and Eve were kicked out of the Garden of Eden before they were able to bear any children, and Adam had his son, Seth, when he was 130. So they could not have stayed in the garden for 300 billion years =)
Jeremiah Walgren 1187 posts 02-05-03 02:29 Reply	While Adam and Eve were in Eden, they were immortal. Right? Why count how old you are if you're not going to die? I'm not sure on this, but it's just an idea.
Mark 276 posts 02-05-03 02:44 Reply	Well, can't the creation story have been symbolic? I don't think there were actually two people named "Adam" and "Eve"... Why can't the garden of Eden just have been a way of representing the fact that sin wasn't always a human trait? Couldn't God have "set off" the big bang?
Darcy 88 posts 02-05-03 03:00 Reply	"So God created humankind in HIS IMAGE, in the IMAGE OF GOD he created them...." Man was created in the likeness and image of God, to be living vessels who contain God and live Him out. I see it as man being a glove and God being the hand that is supposed to fit into that glove (ie. having God in you...letting Him make His home in your heart...living God out...you know, all that stuff you hear in sermons). Man is man and ape is ape, and to say that man evolved from a lesser being...I just find that degrading. Ah well, no offense to all you Evolution believers out there. You can disagree if you like, but I'm still allowed my own opinion.
Dexter345 677 posts 02-05-03 05:10 Reply	Hey burr, lemme point something out to you. Check out these two sentences: "I never said 'I am absolutely right'." "The only way that the problems in the world will leave is if people start stepping up and taking a stand for what is right and not just going with the flow." Now, granted, you didn't explicitly say the phrase "I am absolutely right." You did, however, go on to talk about the <b>only</b> way to do things. Do you see the point I'm making? And as for your side note, I never claimed to believe in evolution. I haven't researched it; I'm not a scientist. So I can't answer your questions. Then again, neither would you be able to answer mine. And to clarify something for everyone else, most evolutionists do not believe that we evolved from monkeys. We, being the "cousins" of the primates, evolved from something that monkeys also evolved from. That's the theory anyway. -Dexter345-
burr 87 posts 02-05-03 06:38 Reply	Dexter what is the way in which things will be changed if it isn't people stepping up to do what is right? If you have another solution I would love to know what it is. Also, I never said that you believed in evolution. All I said is that I have a question for "you guys" about evolution.
Mark 276 posts 02-06-03 00:35 Reply	Darcy: It isn't necessarily that I believe in evolution, it's just that I'm presenting an argument to aethiests showing that we could have, in fact, evolved. Arguing against that causes aethiests to think, as is true, that we Christians have many fights among themselves. This could imply that Christianity isn't a good religion which, of course, I disagree with. Christianity is awesome... it's all about doing good to/for others.

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