| Melazyboy 113 posts
12-11-03 06:46
Reply | Where did christians come from?
Interesting Reading:
http://www.medmalexperts.com/POCM/
This WILL offend christians. It presents a logical explanation for Christianity full of quotes and facts, it IS biased, and it IS satirical. |
| Melazyboy 113 posts
12-11-03 06:47
Reply | =D |
| Xathien 1255 posts
12-11-03 23:57
Reply | I hereby declare this the Worst Thread Ever. |
| Xathien 1255 posts
12-12-03 00:03
Reply | Melazyboy, you fail at life. Game over. 0 points. I think you should find something more constructive to do like beating your head against a wall or smashing several important body parts in a broiling oven door or even perhaps cutting out your liver with a rusted spoon.
Forgot this bit before I posted the previous one... |
| Melazyboy 113 posts
12-12-03 02:20
Reply | Wow how Mormon of you to make such a comment. I wish you alot of pain and suffering as well. =D |
| Jeremiah Walgren 1187 posts
12-12-03 04:01
Reply | It's not that hard, considering we deal with idiots like you nearly every day. |
| Melazyboy 113 posts
12-12-03 05:29
Reply | Is one of them god? |
| Xathien 1255 posts
12-12-03 05:30
Reply | No, but one of them thinks he's better than Him. If you can't guess who I'm talking about... |
| Melazyboy 113 posts
12-12-03 21:29
Reply | I am better than "him". First I am real. Second. I haven't destroyed cities; created or spurred stereo-types, and I don't force anyone who acknowledges my existence to worship me. --- among other things. |
| Xathien 1255 posts
12-12-03 22:50
Reply | "I haven't... spurred stereo-types."
... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. idiot, maybe you should look on the bright side of things. Like how there are righteous people around you, so your city isn't going to get destroyed by the wrath of God. You, sir, are a complete idiot. I'm about 105% certain that you should never post here again. This is a peaceful community. Go away. |
| Jeremiah Walgren 1187 posts
12-13-03 04:39
Reply | Xathien is correct on that. In the Old Testament of the Bible, Abraham has a theoretical discussion with God on whether or not he would spare Soddom (a very wicked, perverse city) if there were but 50 righteous people who dwelt in it. It eventually got down to the fact that God would spare an entire city of a very wicked people if only ten righteous people lived there.
Remove the righteous people, and God will remove you. It's pretty simple, really. |
| Xathien 1255 posts
12-13-03 05:16
Reply | Hey Jeremiah. Let's go raid Melazyboy's city for all the righteous people. |
| Jeremiah Walgren 1187 posts
12-13-03 05:35
Reply | I'm for it. Let's see if anyone else wants to go with us. |
| Melazyboy 113 posts
12-13-03 07:33
Reply | "I haven't... spurred stereo-types."
The comment was referring to your "god" not you.
... riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. idiot, maybe you should look on the bright side of things. Like how there are righteous people around you, so your city isn't going to get destroyed by the wrath of God. You, sir, are a complete idiot. I'm about 105% certain that you should never post here again. This is a peaceful community. Go away.
… Ok so what if I move outside of the city and create a city all by myself. Then would god smite me in a show of violence for all the world to see?!? Just what does it take to be considered a “city,” we can test this one. By today’s standards, there is a population or land mass quota, but I would think that during biblical years running water and a crapper was all you needed – if even that.
athien is correct on that. In the Old Testament of the Bible, Abraham has a theoretical discussion with God on whether or not he would spare Soddom (a very wicked, perverse city) if there were but 50 righteous people who dwelt in it. It eventually got down to the fact that God would spare an entire city of a very wicked people if only ten righteous people lived there.
Remove the righteous people, and God will remove you. It's pretty simple, really.
Technically you mean remove all but 9. I have probably read more of the Bible than you have Mormon. I am aware of the story of Sodom and Gomorrah (sp?), and Abraham’s negotiating skills. Here is a vital question if nine righteous people lived there why would that bastard destroy the city. He is a phony that’s why – now we morally know that sacrificing nine people is wrong and so the logic is: it is better to let one guilty man go free then put one innocent man away; thus, making the bible yet again an archaic piece of crap. To further beat the dead horse why the hell would God need to revert to killing if he is almighty.
When your born you are ‘of sin’ by most sects of Christianity and post-baptism you are free of sin, so why the hell couldn’t god just baptize the Pagan city. Baptizing is not something you have to be self aware of – babies have it done far before they are capable of independent though; god couldn’t just make it rain holy water he had to kill – wouldn’t want the bastard to let us down now would we? (Not that I don’t like biblical genocide it never really happened and it makes for an interesting read.)
Hey Jeremiah. Let's go raid Melazyboy's city for all the righteous people.
Good religious joke!!! I like it it’s a satire of Christianity!!! Rather than killing me, kill all of the righteous and leave me for God. Ha, after the feds come in and destroy you and your like-loons I will be maliciously laughing as you observe ABSOLUTLY NOTHING HAPPEN.
I'm for it. Let's see if anyone else wants to go with us.
Thank God (joke in itself), a Mormon crusade!
Them fighin’ words.
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| Melazyboy 113 posts
12-13-03 07:36
Reply | baptism < post-baptism < sin |
| Jeremiah Walgren 1187 posts
12-13-03 21:48
Reply | Melazyboy, you have some serious problems. You may think that you're right on everything you say, but we'll see who truly is right after this life.
The attitude that your portray against me, my religion, my God, and others on this board show that you are very disturbed in your mind. Leave, and do not return. |
| Melazyboy 113 posts
12-13-03 23:39
Reply | your evidence for your assumptions?
Melazyboy, you have some serious problems. You may think that you're right on everything you say, but we'll see who truly is right after this life.
You assume wrongfully there is an afterlife. |
| Melazyboy 113 posts
12-13-03 23:44
Reply | melazyboy, you have some serious problems. You may think that you're right on everything you say, but we'll see who truly is right after this life.
Can you prove me wrong on anything? Or do you apply inverse logic compared to religious logic.
I can’t disprove him, so I will assume there is a god.
I can't disprove him, so I will assume he is wrong?
Technically, you should assume I am right, because you cannot disprove me. (Not one fact contrary to what I have said or cited has arisen yet)
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| Dexter345 677 posts
12-14-03 08:30
Reply | And now we see why it sucks to be an Atheist/Agnostic. If they are right, they can laugh at us in the afterlife. If we are right, we don't get to laugh, because we're dead. It's a real shame.
-Dexter345- |
| Mark 276 posts
12-14-03 13:38
Reply | Wrong. There is absolutely no reason why we should believe anything anyone says unless they provide proof based in science, not some ramblings from a guy with a large head. In fact, it may easily be argued that we shouldn't believe in God... unfortunately, as it so happens, it is virtually impossible to prove or disprove His existence. Since we've been raised with the beliefs we've been raised with, we're inclined to believe in the existence of such a divine being. Besides, it sure can't hurt =) I think it was Pascal who once said something to the effect of, "If there is no God, I've lost nothing by believing in Him. If there is a God, I've gained everything by believing in Him." |
| Mark 276 posts
12-14-03 13:43
Reply | Sorry about the choppy format of my last post. There are many reasons why it can be argued that we shouldn't believe in God... historical points, mostly. For example, it is likely that Constantine actually voted on the divinity of Christ. You can say that we shouldn't believe in God because if there isn't one, we're just wasting our time. Actually, believing in God can move many people to do great acts of kindness and the like. |
| Melazyboy 113 posts
12-14-03 18:53
Reply | Well granted you said there were historical points for not believing in god many of them leak over to the scientific arena as well. As a side note, we can say the “Great Flood” never happened historically, and prove it buy the lack of a sedimentary layer distributed across the globe. We can also say that creation never took place as said in the bible historically and we can prove that buy showing that the earth dates back three billion years.
Religion has also caused many acts of hatred and _un_kindness, so you cannot really go either way on that. I look at it more like this - if there is no god I’m enjoying my Sunday, and my Jr. Bacon Cheese burger, and if I get in a car accident ill be able to take blood infusions I can also donate my body to science to further the progression of biology or train a doctor and when I die I won’t be perpetuating an archaic belief system which I don’t believe in just for the purpose of securing a chair in the celestial or other wise divine afterlife.
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| Mark 276 posts
12-14-03 20:30
Reply | You have a good point, Melazyboy, in saying that keeping an open mind is good. As Thomas Jefferson once said, God (if He does exist) surely would not want us closing off our minds to the possibility that he does not exist.
For future reference, I think I've a good counter-argument to your "Great Flood" and "creation" agruments. At the time of the "Great Flood", if there was one, all of humanity was packed in an extremely dense space relative to today. Obviously, God could also leave out any humans near China, because they wouldn't really contact the rest of the world for quite a few years after the fact.
So, for the sake of argument, we will assume there was a great flood. If such a flood happened upon humans around that time period, it would surely seem as though the water had covered the entire world, because it would have covered all of the world they knew... and humans, being what they are, are extremely self-centered beings. Obviously (to them), it was impossible that any part of the world was not touched by the flood. Thus, the idea that the flood covered the entire world was from Noah's perspective, him being the only one (besides his family, who would have the same perspective) to write an account of the flood.
Please excuse, again, the sloppy writing. I'm attempting to gather my thoughts.
As for the creation argument, it could have easily been more than 7 days as we know them in which the world was created. Remember the way in which we measure a day... 24 hours. This is relative to the sun. If the sun hadn't even been "created" when God was first forming the Earth, then 7 days to us might well have been a couple million years to Him.
Err... okay, I think that's it. These arguments don't disprove your statements, but it opens a door to future discussions, I hope. |
| Melazyboy 113 posts
12-14-03 21:43
Reply | I have heard that argument about the flood before but never the one about the days prior to the sun - I did know he measured days before the sun but have yet to see it in the context of the pro-creation argument.
I am still finding “The Great Flood” in any context to be a challenge to believe. We have yet to find an ancient city destroyed by any flood, or any material other than the bible - to my knowledge that validates the account of the flood presented. Oblivious to the flood the math behind a sea worthy vessel capable of performing the task indicated would not have seen the light of day for 200 years based on the technology they had. With technological advancement considered a task of the like would be a challenge today, food, shelter, waste-removal, animal control ect ect ect. You can conclude this biblical story never happened - most creationist, believing a theory warranting little merit still only interpret this story in a symbolic lesson.
The Great Flood begs the questions if interpreted symbolically as well. Why would god destroy what he could fix? Marriage is the holy matrimony of a religious couple unified through god, to use this as an analogy in the eyes of an atheist, does god permit you to end marriage without any attempts to “fix’ or mend it. I believe you would have an extremely hard time even with extremists to find a person of religion who would say at the first hint of dislike – end the marriage. “God” performs these tasks of destruction in numerous places in the bible - without involving science how can this be, OK? Is his logic out of our realm of comprehension? Is he the equivalence of a toddler reading the obituaries in amusement?
As for your argument on creation. How and why would god change the same measurement of time? Genesis is.. Adams record transcribed from god as to how the world was created, if you assume one day here is longer, then you must also assume that one day in the Bible was longer, unless, you assume that the biblical christens reinvented the measurement of time called the ‘day’ to involve the sun’s rotation. Either way leaving science out of this human-logic would say that this is nonsensical and detrimental to the Bibles credit. Why would god want to confuse his own followers, a like-analogy of this would be telling - my neighbor - to meet me at point X at 3:41, and then showing up at midnight leaving my actions unexplained. Would you conclude I was on a different, ‘clock’ than you, or that I was an incompetent lout.
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| Dexter345 677 posts
12-15-03 01:40
Reply | "...or any material other than the bible - to my knowledge that validates the account of the flood..."
The Epic of Gilgamesh. It was either a Babylonian or a Sumerian (I don't remember which) tale. Very, very similar to the story of Noah and his Ark. Sure, this is just an old story, but then again, isn't that how you view the Bible too?
-Dexter345- |
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